Wednesday, March 5, 2014

The Impact of the Old on the New

While I was reading this poem for the first time, in all honesty I didn't get any farther than the first line: “April is the cruelest month” (pg 5). In fact I didn't even fully understand what this meant at all, as in I could not understand why Eliot considered April to be the “cruelest month.” After our first class discussions I went back to re-read the poem and still could not follow at all. It was only after Tuesday’s class that I think I finally just barely grasped this poem. I must be honest that poetry is not my strong point. I don’t really like having to guess what the author is trying to say when he uses fancy literate language instead of more direct down to earth words.
            Interestingly enough, this preference of mine is actually what caused me to enjoy this poem more (of course only once I began to grasp what the poem was about), as I could go through the poem and see how Eliot contrasts different types/styles of words and sounds. On the one hand he uses really creative wording such as in line 76 (II- A Game of Chess) when Eliot writes, “The Chair she sat in, like a burnished throne…;” while on the other hand, he then digresses to using more conversational, blunt lines, such as at the end of this section, in line 172, when he says, “Good night, ladies, good night, sweet ladies, good night….” As Professor Miller explained, this appears to be Eliot’s method for expressing how culture has degraded so much. What was once elegant, beautiful, and upstanding, has become indecent, corrupt, and ugly. Eliot was especially disillusioned by the corruptness of politics overtaking Washington.
            Perhaps Eliot’s extensive use of myths—especially Egyptian myth—can help to add some proof for Eliot’s deep devotion to tradition and older culture. Maybe Eliot was even intending for some sarcastic humor, as his use of Egyptian myth could be him saying, “People may think I am ancient because I do not like the corruptness and loosening of morals that seem to be overtaking our ‘modern-day society,’ so fine, I will provide some truly ancient sources.” Eliot was, as we say in my house, “spiting his nose to spite his face.” In other words, he was saying what he did, in malice of his audience, as if to say, “You think I am old fashioned? Fine, I will give you old!” Simultaneously, I don’t think this was Eliot’s only intent, but rather he was also trying to submit a message to modern day society that the “old” still affects the new—as we said in class that the new cannot be reborn if the old does not die first. The old has direct implications on the new and thus the old should be affecting the new, which, according to Eliot, it is not—the new is completely lacking in morals and ethics, in old times these were held sacred; these traits had not been passed on. Additionally, Eliot includes other, still older, yet more traditional lines, such as in line 426 when he says, “London Bridge is falling down falling down falling down.” This is a very classic children’s nursery rhyme, and one that may represent, for Eliot, traditional old school times. 
            I’d like to share my view upon the ending of this book and how Eliot thinks this juxtaposition between the old/beautiful and the new/corruptness will end. Eliot finishes his poem with a Hindi prayer. This can either be interpreted as mockery, or as hope. It may just be because I really dislike books/movies that do not have happy endings, but I would like to believe that Eliot was ending with the prayer to show there is still hope for mankind and we can still purge ourselves of the corruption that was so widespread. Eliot is ending off stating that there is still the ability for humans to bring back the old righteousness and piety while burying the corrupt culture that seems to be infiltrating ‘modern culture.’  


6 comments:

  1. I really like your point that "he was also trying to submit a message to modern day society that the “old” still affects the new". If we remember that this is the beginning of modernism, as well as the same author who said "make it new" this lesson is even enhanced.
    People wanted to leave the past behind them and totally restart, but Eliot is reminding them that every new strain in society is still built on the old ones. We might think that every new generation can be creative, but as you said, Eliot is reminding us that the strains of the former myths, the Sibyl and the egyptian myths still repeat themselves through history and don't get discarded, just recovered in new clothing.
    Perhaps, what Eliot really meant when he said "make it new" is to reclothe those old myths in current circumstances, as well as adding current trends into the writing.
    He is also using only really old references, (with the exception of his negative view of "That Shakespearean Rag") perhaps showing that the classics should be maintained and it is the recent advances that need to be discarded and replaced. He has a great deal of respect for the classes, its just the last century or so that had failed, as seen in the Great War that led to this Waste Land

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    1. Hey Shulie, I think the Shakespeherean rag line is making fun of people who pretend to know Shakespeare but are really faking it--pretentious pseudo-intellectuals, in other words. He is mocking them, not Shakespeare.

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    2. That is my point, but I knew that if I just said that he was using older references, someone would point that one out, so I pre-empted that by calling it the exception.

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  2. Oddly I think Eliot's hope for the future is meant to be depressing, at least that is how I understand the ending. Considering Sybil Eliot is not saying American culture is going to die. He is saying that culture is going to live. Forever. Long past it's prime. And long past when it should have died. I wonder what Eliot would say if he met a hipster. Part of me feels like he would want to hit him over the head with a copy of the Wasteland (a hardcopy with lots of essays in the back because we all know the waste land is not very long) The rest of me feels Eliot would embrace the hipster being as he would be the only member of society who would be interested in Eliot's work outside of a Literature class.
    Eliot does not mean to mock the reader or the believers or anyone when he write those prayers. He writes them sincerely. His sincerity, to me, is what makes it desperate and depressing. He does not "hope" the future is coming. He knows the future is coming. And considering the past, that is every bit as frightening as it is meant to be.

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    1. This comment was hilarious: "I wonder what Eliot would say if he met a hipster. Part of me feels like he would want to hit him over the head with a copy of the Wasteland (a hardcopy with lots of essays in the back because we all know the waste land is not very long)" Great stuff!

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  3. I share your view of poetry in general but don't want to cast all of poetry as bad. It is true for some amateur poets it is an excuse to sound intelligent by being cryptic and vague. There are some poets that you know are good, but if you could just understand what they are trying to say you would understand why. Eliot is one of those. He could have written an essay to say his piece about a diseased culture but he would have been bound by formality. He is able to imbue his poem with sophistication and at the same time it have it fluid enough to cross languages, cultures, voices, and stories and still be workable. The line you think I am old, I'll show you old- is perfect for his poem. He says you think poetry is difficult to understand, I'll show you difficult. And yet when you unravel his poetry and unravel his meaning, you see he has a point.

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